I haven't the latest and greatest in handgun design over the past decade or longer. I freely admit that I am way behind the knowledge curve.
Lately, I've been noticing a meme about Sig Sauer handguns, specifically the P320 going off all by themselves. I can't imagine a fire control group that would just fire randomly. Of course, that would make the Four Rules a whole lot more pertinent.
WTF? Is this really a thing? And, isn't the Army's new pistol a direct variant of the Sig?
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There has been reports of this. I wonder if it is "operator error", or does the 320 have a dangerous flaw.
There is a phenomenon called "Glock finger". When many departments were moving from revolvers to semi-autos and Glocks were getting popular, there were numerous reports of ADs. People were used to double-action revolvers, and they would keep their finger on the Glock trigger and ADs were happening.
But the 320 seems to be doing something else.
I am sure you will get answers from someone more in the know than me, but I do think that this is the same gun that the government bought for our troops.
I seem to recall an issue with this gun firing without touching the trigger, but only when dropped. Some made it into the field, and I think that one civilian got shot with the P320. There was a recall and Sig fixed the issue, but not after this guy sued the company.
Again this is all anecdotal from my own nearly 65 year old mind. And also I want to thank you for your service both in the military and in law enforcement. And thank you for your blog, and the longevity that continues to this day. It is one of the better blogs around and it is obvious that you are an intelligent man who can tell stories in writing quite well.
Best wishes to you and your loved ones. Stay safe and be well.
I've seen talk about this... I've also seen that Sig hasn't been able to replicate it in over 100,000 tests.
I've heard of 4 instances and in every case the shooter insists very strongly that their finger wasn't near the trigger.
To me, this is eerily reminiscent of the complaints we used to hear about Glocks, all of which came from "accidentally" pulling the trigger.
Remember that the Sig has a safety... But does somebody used to Glocks use it?
Jonathan
1- There are multiple videos and well documented/ witnessed accounts of 320’s having strait up accidental discharges while in holsters.
It’s a real thing.
2- To my knowledge Army M17/18 has a safety and uses a slightly different trigger because it had to pass a drop test. While #1 is at this point a fact I haven’t seen data that the phenomena extends to the M17/18 handgun.
There are videos. It’s the gun.
that's because everyone with a glock was using that blackhawk holster and the holster was being blamed...i have one of those holsters and it's impossible for any part of the retention in that holster to touch the trigger...it was all headspace and time of the operator...
First, the military variant has an external, manual safety...not to mention the standard military tradition of carrying with the chamber empty...so I don't think it's an issue for the military.
From what I've seen it's a function of using poorly fitting holsters. The holster puts pressure on the trigger, if the gun is bounced around in the holster, or sometimes while placing the pistol in the holster, the holster itself pulls the trigger.
I've got one (carry model) and I really like it. Fits my hand and points well and the trigger is MUCH better than my Glock 19. It came with a holster directly from SIG and I've never had an issue with it.
I'd say if someone is planning on carrying it condition 1, there's a concern, especially if using a cheap holster or one that isn't specifically made for the P320. Personally, I don't carry mine. I prefer thinner single stack pistols for concealability, so it's pretty much a range gun for me, so I'm not concerned.
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